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Sellato
Guys, I'm going through something kinda stupid. I can't tell for sure if my Tulpa wants something because he wants it or because I want it. about something really sensitive, and his answer is going to define our relationship, so what do I do? How can I convince myself it's his answer to.
If the question is romance related - just don't ask questions like that early on, they're way too loaded.
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A long kiss goodnight
Do you have an bot account for your tulpa set up in #tupperbox-pluralkit yet? I wonder if me talking to your tulpa would help
Yeah I do have a bot account 👍🏼
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Reguile
If the question is romance related - just don't ask questions like that early on, they're way too loaded.
What do you mean by loaded ?
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Loaded, you're interested in them and the answer is important. Early tulpa barely have a personality or opinions, so for really big stuff like that you're asking for big thought from a small pool.
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Your right 👍🏼
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Reguile
If the question is romance related - just don't ask questions like that early on, they're way too loaded.
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 1/18/2023 7:47 PM
If you do they will shape their personality arround whatever answer they give you anyway, so I dont consider it such a big deal, a lot of the process is tipically determined by this kinds of random choices.
7:50 PM
I would argue thought that you might be causing yourself an emotional investment that you might lose on the future, but that would also be the case for a normal non-tulpa relationship, just a bit different.
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This is my opinion, but it's better to just consider them that way from the start if you do go that way. Asking questions a tulpa isn't able to answer is typically pushing you into "doubt it's real" mode. You get an answer, but you'll continually feel it was you and be unsure. (edited)
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 1/18/2023 7:51 PM
Or into very fast development mode.
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In which the tulpa will instantly get the hability to respond to such questions.
7:54 PM
That might require you already having a really strong belief in the state of your tulpa tho, so unless you are sure they are capable to answer I would actually advise against it given what Reguile said.
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It could also lead your tulpa to confabulate. You'll get an answer regardless if tulpa knows it.
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Alexia
It could also lead your tulpa to confabulate. You'll get an answer regardless if tulpa knows it.
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 1/18/2023 7:56 PM
I believe most tulpa creation process is confabulation, and that it is both acceptable and good. Also its not like normal developed human beings dont confabulate either.
7:57 PM
In any case, it will be settled at some point, but as Reguile said, that question seems to be pushing into "doubt" territory for you. If it wasnt, you woudnt be asking what you asked in the first place. (edited)
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Tbh, I think most of the human mind is confabulation. The brain makes up explanations, images, etc., based on what we think is true, not what is actually true.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 1/18/2023 10:41 PM
The thing is that you cannot know when you are confabulating. But its something healthy brains do frequently. The brain just generates a plausible explanation for its own actions and stuff like that. (edited)
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are my tulpas too realistic?
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Error 🧶 BOT 1/19/2023 12:35 AM
why would that be a problem?
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or has adding too many tulpas to the system caused a bit of havoc?
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Error 🧶 BOT 1/19/2023 12:35 AM
that
12:36 AM
Imma talk to thomas about this then
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KiTkAt( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 1/19/2023 12:37 AM
how many tulpas did you let in at once
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about 10 but most of them would be closer to wonderland npcs
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I have about 4 that are actually developed
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Error 🧶 BOT 1/19/2023 12:40 AM
then stop counting the other ones
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KiTkAt( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 1/19/2023 12:44 AM
i would probably fall asleep counting so high
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Imma talk to thomas and the other like 2 core tulpas about making the group smaller
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 1/19/2023 12:51 AM
You can keep the NPCs as NPCs...
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KiTkAt( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 1/19/2023 12:51 AM
yeah, you can put down the knife!
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oh there will be no knife involved
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we will just simply "fall out"
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"life will seperate us"
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The most important thing in tulpamancy is to be comfortable with your system. It's nothing inherently wrong with having 10 tulpas. And tulpas don't have to be equal with development, activity time etc.
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Is the change you consider to make something more than finding other label then "tulpa" for some of your less active ones, @rain ?
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its just that
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 1/19/2023 12:56 AM
abandon all labels
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as the sentient beings tulpas are, some of them can cause drama
12:57 AM
so I just need less drama in my life
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thats what I meant by "too realistic"
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so we need to yeet the drama king
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rain
so I just need less drama in my life
not just me, my other tulpas too
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KiTkAt( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
i would probably fall asleep counting so high
A long kiss goodnight 1/19/2023 10:25 AM
It's a good thing you guys didn't become a system of 18 (edited)
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rain
so we need to yeet the drama king
A long kiss goodnight 1/19/2023 10:27 AM
I think your solution to go separate ways makes sense. Given your system structure, just "not seeing each other" makes sense. If you miss them, you can always contact them later
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A long kiss goodnight 1/20/2023 10:38 PM
Moved because someone else beat me to #tulpa-questions https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895651266330644/1065814372519268382
Is there anything preventing me from working on visualizing my tulpa's form while he is asleep?
Perhaps a symbolism trick might help. I have an idea but any excuse to look at his form while he's resting should work: I'm wondering if you can create a device that pulls up almost a "headmate profile" of sorts for your system. Something like this:
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When you pull up Alex's profile, you can look at it like a rendered 3d model. You can also swipe the "screen" for any other forms he has. He may wake up initially to see what you're doing on your symbolism "device", but after that he can go back to sleep or cuddle with you if he wants while you're looking at his form
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@Fox
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Interesting.
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Yeah I have some folders of references for him.
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@A long kiss goodnight It has been a while.
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A long kiss goodnight
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glitchthe3rd 1/21/2023 3:07 AM
we have something much more rudimentary in our system, just contains "birthnames" and roles
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Stella (she/her) | 🎨 BOT 1/29/2023 9:20 PM
Why is so much easier to communicate with writing than in mind? It's so frustrating...
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 1/29/2023 9:32 PM
Why is so much easier to communicate with writing than in mind? It's so frustrating...
@Stella (she/her) | 🎨 (@Makikikikiki) - jump just write in your mind
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It can be easier to focus that way, or easier to get past some mental barriers that might make mindvoice tough
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Stella (she/her) | 🎨 BOT 1/29/2023 10:50 PM
Ok, thank you ^^
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Should I listen to the "Tulpa creation hypnosis v2" video? (the one by Gearheart) Since the video said its rewatchable I was thinking of doing the MK Ultra grindset and watching it for a few consecutive days and see where that leads to. Will it have any negative effects on the tulpa developing though?
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Kroat
Should I listen to the "Tulpa creation hypnosis v2" video? (the one by Gearheart) Since the video said its rewatchable I was thinking of doing the MK Ultra grindset and watching it for a few consecutive days and see where that leads to. Will it have any negative effects on the tulpa developing though?
Hypnotic files could help you achieve dissociative experiences, including those of tulpa talking back to you. But core tulpamancy isn't about dissociation but developing relationship with your tulpa. In that respect, helpers like hypnotic files are nothing but distraction.
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I was just thinking of doing it untill the tulpa becomes vocal.
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What most people understand as "Tulpa becoming vocal" is about your ability to dissociate, not tulpa's development as a person. The experience of tulpa talking back by themself is nothing more, nothing less than dissociation. You can experience that with characters you don't plan to develop as tulpa too.
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The tulpa themself is like a character from a book. The difference is how you are interacting with that character directly and not isolate them from reality in some fictional setting.
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Well, thanks for the advice. From what I understood hypnosis is like trading tulpa "quality" for "development" speed? (edited)
2:29 PM
If that's the case I guess imma just stick with forcing and normal exercises.
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Kroat
Well, thanks for the advice. From what I understood hypnosis is like trading tulpa "quality" for "development" speed? (edited)
Well, about that... I think the main potential drawback of helpers like hypnotic files when you try to achieve dissociation using them, is that it might make your ability stay dependent on that helpers. And if you depend on dissociation in spending time with your tulpa (which you should also reconsider), it might make your tulpamancy overall dependent on that helper too.
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I see, thanks for answering the question.
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And about forcing: just do what you like with them and fantasize about them. You don't need to dissociate first to shape them and create their personality. Some people want to dissociate first aka "first make tulpa vocal and let them choose as much as possible". But it's only creating an illusion, your mind shapes your tulpa, whether you do it consciously or not. (edited)
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Since I based my tulpa on a specific character, I usually first visualize their avatar in my mind and then I do narration and other forcing stuff.
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Creating a blank tulpa and letting my mind fill it out seemed like bad idea since it's my first one. I just didn't want to leave everything to chance.
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So I was doing it avatar 1st, forcing 2nd
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That's okay
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So what’s y’all’s opinion on using art to help a tulpa establish presence? I kinda let the progress I made fade a little, still haven’t heard a voice but I know he’s still there. I lose focus with narration, I’ve decided to check on him every time I check the time. I started a sketchbook of exercises and concentration. Do y’all think using art is a good method to see progress with?
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To establish presence, you might need to focus on their personality rather than their form, I think.
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Oh. That’s a good point. But so far I’ve been drawing me talking to him. Establishing a personality is a good goal, tho.
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 2/4/2023 11:26 PM
So what’s y’all’s opinion on using art to help a tulpa establish presence? I kinda let the progress I made fade a little, still haven’t heard a voice but I know he’s still there. I lose focus with narration, I’ve decided to check on him every time I check the time. I started a sketchbook of exercises and concentration. Do y’all think using art is a good method to see progress with?
@Manic714 - jump try this technique for building presence https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895537978048535/796424910867791872
11:26 PM
so far it helped everyoen that tried it
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Manic714
Oh. That’s a good point. But so far I’ve been drawing me talking to him. Establishing a personality is a good goal, tho.
Well, it certainly won't hurt to draw you talking to them. The most important thing to establish a bond with your tulpa is spending time together in a way you enjoy it.
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Okay! I’ll try the pendulum and focus more on who I want him to be.
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Thanks pals.
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 2/4/2023 11:32 PM
pendulum won’t take more than 5 minutes
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if you manage to get the feel of the presence with it, just try to hold it for long
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you will be able to summon it at will
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later on
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Is there a method that uses the random shapes you see when your eyes are closed? Last night I had my tulpa change some of the shapes to answer my questions? Is that an actual recognized method?
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Also i tried the pendulum with one of my necklaces, I need to practice more with that….
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Manic714
Is there a method that uses the random shapes you see when your eyes are closed? Last night I had my tulpa change some of the shapes to answer my questions? Is that an actual recognized method?
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 2/5/2023 12:08 AM
If it works for you it is a method...
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Hum true…
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 2/5/2023 12:09 AM
What exactly do you mean by "random shapes you see when your eyes are closed" though?
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Well, I need glasses, so when my eyes are closed everything is out of focus. I can see shapes, some caused by lights, some probably eye floaters. So, what I did is asked my tulpa to make a certain shape appear in the blurry dark of my closed eyes.
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There’s probably an established name for the shapes seen when eyes are closed. I don’t know it.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 2/5/2023 12:13 AM
Yeah, i know what you mean
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Its just you making sense of random noise and imposing something into it. If it works it works...
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Dont question it too much or try to make sense of it.
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Mkay. Thanks.
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There’s probably an established name for the shapes seen when eyes are closed. I don’t know it.
@Manic714 - jump ohh i knew the name for it but forgot
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Let me know if you remember. XD
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Closed eye hallucinations
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is it weird that my "main" tulpa feels like an alter ego?
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and can co-front easily but cant fully front (yet lol)
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